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1st looks like a type of Echeveria . 2nd looks like a type of sedum . Dont take my word for it . As for watering ... i judge mine by the soil . I stick my finger into the soil to about an inch then take it out . If there is soil on your finger , or it feels damp ... its not quite ready for watering . If they are going to be placed outdoors , make sure to acclimate them into the sun . if this isnt done , it could result in a sunburnt succ.
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